foufounette

Nombre de messages: 2788 Date d'inscription: 06/07/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mar 30 Aoû - 21:45 | |
| donc en gros vous ne dites rien sur le dopage de djokobite parce que vous espèrez qu'il empêchera nadal de taper le record |
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Franck2
Nombre de messages: 1869 Date d'inscription: 02/01/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mar 30 Aoû - 22:21 | |
| Le record? Quel record? Ah oui, le record, je n'y pensais même plus au record, moi. Non, moi, c'est juste le plaisir de voir Djokovic lui foutre des beignes à répétition, agrémenté de son regard apeuré et perdu sur le court.. et d'imaginer Toni qui l'attend dans les vestiaires lui mettre la dernière couche  "Tu n'es qu'une mer.e, tu n'as que ce que tu mérites!!" |
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foufounette

Nombre de messages: 2788 Date d'inscription: 06/07/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mar 30 Aoû - 22:25 | |
| t'as vendu ton âme au diable |
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vdd

Nombre de messages: 7904 Date d'inscription: 03/09/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mar 30 Aoû - 22:50 | |
| | foufounette a écrit: | donc en gros vous ne dites rien sur le dopage de djokobite parce que vous espèrez qu'il empêchera nadal de taper le record |
Tout à fait. Et je suis prêt à ce que Mannarino fasse pareil pour le déglinguer sur le court. Nadal, l'ATP a tout mis en oeuvre pour qu'il gagne tout en ralentissant les surfaces et en truquant ses tableaux. Maintenant qu'il paye c'est très bien. |
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Nab
Nombre de messages: 499 Date d'inscription: 28/04/2011
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mer 31 Aoû - 2:13 | |
| Toi aussi tu n'es pas objectif.. Nadal à un jeu basé sur le physique, ces injections font en sorte que ces genoux tienne plus longtemps et surtout qu'il n'est pas de blessure qui l'handicape fortement, on connait le niveau de rafa quand il n'est pas a 100% de ses moyens physique (saison2011) tu peux être certains que le petit chelem il le fait pas en 2010, remémore toi ces fins de saison après son marathon sur terre et puis wimbl, derrière il est cramer. L'année dernière si Roger nous sort pas un masters de rêve, il nous fait 3GC + masters, c'est là aussi quasi impossible avec son jeu, donc il a voler des GC.. Tant que ce n'est pas interdis, il a le droit de le faire, comme Nadal et ces injections, mais bon lui il a le droit vu que c'est ton idole. |
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Toto

Nombre de messages: 2341 Date d'inscription: 04/12/2009
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mer 31 Aoû - 6:49 | |
| Faut donner tes sources Foufoune, sinon tu perds en crédibilité. En voilà une intéressante : lien SI | Citation: | Djokovic's CVAC pod treatment: Innovation or unfair advantage?
If you think Novak Djokovic moves quickly on the tennis court, you should see him backpedalling. Over the weekend, the Wall Street Journal reported that Djokovic had been spending time in a pressurized egg.
While the egg looks like a Lady Gaga stage prop, it has a more practical use. Made by CVAC systems, the CVAC pod simulates high altitude and compresses muscles in intervals. The Journal hailed the egg as Djokovic's "secret weapon," adding, as the article notes: "The company claims that spending up to 20 minutes in the pod three times a week can boost athletic performance by improving circulation, boosting oxygen-rich red-blood cells, removing lactic acid and possibly even stimulating mitochondrial biogenesis and stem-cell production."
Djokovic, though, was having none of it. "Well, all I can say is that I have used it a couple of times last year and I haven't used it since. You know it's very interesting technology, but I don't know the effect of it." Djokovic was then pushed on the story's assertion that he used the egg for the past couple of days. "Well, it would be great if that machine can fly wherever I am playing." Pressed a third time, he said. "I haven't used it this year because I'm really not intending to change my routines."
Today, after winning his first match (showing no ill effects of the shoulder injury), he was more adamant. "I'm going to repeat it for the last time: It doesn't have any influence on my success."
Djokovic's reluctance to discuss the topic was understandable. Percolating not far beneath the surface was the indelicate issue of cheating. Was this "secret weapon" not smudging the line between innovation and unfair advantage?
One player described the egg as "sketchy." (Asked to expand on that, he declined.) And the timing couldn't have been worse. Players here are smarting over the recent ban of Robert Kendrick, an American veteran clipped for using anti-jetlag medicine that contained a substance on the banned list. Though both investigators and Court of Arbitration for Sport believed Kendrick's contention that it was an inadvertent error and he was not seeking a competitive advantage, he was banned for eight months, including the U.S. Open. Now here comes another player using a device to boost red blood cells?
Let's be clear that we're not accusing Djokovic of cheating. But does the Pod fall inside or outside anti-doping protocol? With an assist to reader Elena Gordon: here are the prohibitions according to the World Anti-Doping Association:
M1. ENHANCEMENT OF OXYGEN TRANSFER
The following are prohibited:
1. Blood doping, including the use of autologous, homologous or heterologous blood or red blood cell products of any origin.
2. Artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen, including, but not limited to, perfluorochemicals, efaproxiral (RSR13) and modified haemoglobin products (e.g. haemoglobin-based blood substitutes, microencapsulated haemoglobin products), excluding supplemental oxygen.
We put the question to Stuart Miller, the ITF's Executive Director of the Science & Technical Department. Via email, he writes: "The Tennis Anti-Doping Programme adheres to the WADA Prohibited List, so this is really a question for WADA. Enhancement of oxygen transfer is a prohibited method under section M1 of the Prohibited List, but as yet hypoxic tents (which reduce the amount of available oxygen) and CVAC pods have not been added to it. I haven't seen any research relating to the CVAC pod, so I'm not in a position to comment on how (well) it works. Furthermore, the question is complicated because a similar effect can be gained by training and/or living at altitude (which is essentially impossible to ban). Of course, there's also the practical question of how any such ban could be enforced. So, it seems there are as many questions as answers, and it's hard to see these type of devices being banned in the near future."
One side will contend that the pod is little different from the banned performance-enhancing drug EPO which also boosts red blood cells. The other side will contend that the pod is little different from altitude training. It's also worth pointing out that runners and cyclists have been using hypobaric chambers that went the opposite direction, to simulate less oxygen and stimulate their own body to produce more hemoglobin. Governing bodies considered banning them as too similar to EPO, but did not.
It's an interesting issue, one that highlights -- and puts in bold and italics -- the shortcomings of anti-doping and just how problematic the protocol sometimes can be. As for Djokovic specifically, it's a bit of a moot point, especially given his claim that he hasn't been "hatched" this year. In no way does it overshadow his achievements in 2011. But as far as being a celebrity spokesman goes, surely he's more comfortable espousing the virtues of going gluten-free. No controversy there.
Onward ...
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vdd

Nombre de messages: 7904 Date d'inscription: 03/09/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Djokovic et la machine CVAC Mer 31 Aoû - 7:10 | |
| Nadal c'est l'histoire d'un espagnol aussi dégueulasse que ses aîné mais plus fort et plus conquérant à qui on a enlevé le gazon à Wimbledon et ralenti toutes les surfaces dures ce qui pourrait donner le palmares le plus fourni de l'histoire et le plus tronqué au passage. Bref, Djokovic peut utiliser tous les effets spéciaux qu'il veut si c'est pour l'empêcher de faire mentir l'histoire. |
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